[0:00] [Music] [0:00] Afghanistan's rulers say their border [0:03] with Pakistan doesn't exist. They call [0:05] the current demarcation imaginary. One [0:08] senior Taliban minister even claimed [0:10] that Afghan territory extends as far as [0:13] the at bridge deep inside Pakistan. [0:16] That's not isolated rhetoric. It echoes [0:19] a broader sentiment within the Taliban [0:22] government where many see the border as [0:24] an illegitimate colonial line drawn more [0:28] than a century ago. The recent clashes [0:31] along the border proved the point. After [0:34] months of rising tensions and sporadic [0:36] attacks, the situation boiled over into [0:39] open conflict in early October. Both [0:42] sides exchanged artillery, gunfire, and [0:44] air strikes, and each blamed the other [0:47] for starting the fight. [0:49] The timing could hardly be worse. 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While the Taliban itself [3:42] has not carried out major attacks [3:44] outside Afghan territory, they have [3:47] given shelter and support to terrorist [3:49] cells that undermine regional security [3:53] particularly at Pakistan's expense. One [3:56] of these groups is the Triik E Taliban [3:59] Pakistan or TTP for short, which is an [4:02] anti-Pakistan militant organization with [4:05] massive territorial claims. The Afghan [4:08] Taliban reportedly supports the TTP with [4:11] weapons training and safe locations, [4:14] especially in the eastern provinces of [4:16] Kunar and Nangar. Of course, the Taliban [4:20] denies involvement, but many within its [4:23] senior ranks have close ties with TTP [4:26] militants, and TTP leaders have appeared [4:29] openly at official events in the Afghan [4:31] capital. As a result, Pakistan accuses [4:35] the Taliban government of failing to [4:37] constrain the TTP if not outright [4:40] supporting it. This accusation, however, [4:43] is tied to a much older grievance, one [4:45] that traces back to the Durand line [4:49] drawn in 1893 by the British Empire. The [4:52] Durand line split ethnic Pashtune [4:55] communities between Afghanistan and what [4:58] later became Pakistan. The line itself [5:01] was based on the range of British [5:03] rifles, not on where people actually [5:05] lived. Little to no consideration was [5:08] given to geography, history, or the [5:11] realities on the ground. For the locals, [5:14] the agreement was a disaster. It cut [5:17] through communities that had coexisted [5:19] for centuries. The Poshon people were [5:22] particularly affected. The new border [5:24] divided their towns and cities. Even [5:27] now, 132 years later, successive Afghan [5:31] governments continue to reject the Duran [5:34] line. That's not surprising though. [5:36] Nearly three times as many ethnic [5:38] pashons live in Pakistan as they do in [5:41] Afghanistan, which has always fueled [5:44] strong irudentist feelings in Kabul. So [5:48] while Islamabad treats the Duran line as [5:50] a recognized international border, Kabul [5:54] and by extension the TTP views it as [5:57] illegitimate. The TTP's self-proclaimed [6:00] objective is therefore to stoke [6:02] instability and undermine Pakistan's [6:05] authority in Kyber, Pakunwa and parts of [6:09] Baloasan and then have these regions [6:12] join Afghanistan. [6:14] This is the map often associated with [6:16] that claim. An Afghanistan that borders [6:18] the Indus River at the Atuk Bridge and [6:21] snakes down along the river to the sea. [6:24] It encompasses all ethnic Pashtune [6:26] territories and then some. There is of [6:29] course strategic planning behind this [6:31] territorial claim. If an Afghan [6:34] government were ever able to unite the [6:36] Poshon people into a single political [6:38] entity, Pashtun dominance, currently [6:42] about 40% of Afghanistan's population, [6:45] would grow stronger. Moreover, control [6:48] over sparsely populated Baloasan would [6:51] give Afghanistan access to the sea. [6:54] These two goals, becoming an ethnic [6:56] majority and escaping landlocked [6:59] isolation, could form the foundation for [7:02] a modern centralized Afghan state. It's [7:05] a vision that has been shared by all [7:07] Afghan governments, old and new, [7:10] including the Taliban and the TTP. [7:13] However, it's doubtful that Pakistani [7:15] poshons would want to join with their [7:17] Afghan kin just as it is unlikely that [7:21] ethnic Baloi would want anything to do [7:23] with Afghanistan. Pakistan has plenty of [7:26] social and economic problems. But it's [7:29] miles ahead of Afghanistan in all [7:31] metrics. Still, such facts may prove [7:34] irrelevant. Ordinary people rarely get [7:37] to decide their fate when caught in the [7:39] gears of geopolitics. [7:41] This post by the Afghan interior [7:43] ministry leaves little to [7:45] interpretation. It literally says that [7:48] the Duran line between Afghanistan and [7:50] Pakistan was imposed by force and that [7:54] the Taliban seeks to reclaim the usurped [7:56] territories. Broadly speaking, while the [8:00] Afghan position is understandable, it is [8:02] by no means unique. In fact, many ethnic [8:06] communities are divided by borders. It's [8:08] almost a common feature. Heck, even [8:11] within Afghanistan, there are ethnic [8:13] groups that are split from their [8:15] counterparts abroad, including the [8:17] Persian, Tajik, Usuzbck, and Turkmen [8:20] communities. [8:21] And while the Duran line was indeed [8:23] drawn by the British, so too were all of [8:27] Afghanistan's other borders. The [8:29] northern boundary with Usuzbekiststan [8:31] and Tajikhstan was delineated by the [8:34] British diplomat Nicholas Okconer while [8:37] the western frontier with Iran was [8:39] mapped by Louis Dane. So if Afghanistan [8:43] can claim half of Pakistan's territory [8:45] on ethnic grounds, it inevitably raises [8:49] questions about its own legitimacy since [8:52] roughly 60% of Afghanistan is inhabited [8:55] by non-partons. [8:57] The point is the Taliban's nationalist [9:00] and irudidentist logic is shortsighted. [9:03] These types of conflicts always cut both [9:06] ways and if pressed on, the blowback [9:09] could be unimaginable. [9:14] Since early 2024, tensions between [9:17] Pakistan and Afghanistan's Taliban [9:20] government have spiraled out of control. [9:23] TTP fighters have stepped up attacks on [9:25] Pakistani targets especially in the [9:28] Kyber Paktunka and Baloasan regions. For [9:32] comparison, more than 2600 Pakistani [9:35] security personnel have been killed in [9:38] the last 4 years. Media outlets in this [9:42] part of the world are tightly [9:43] controlled. So it's nearly impossible to [9:46] verify some of the details [9:48] independently. But we do know the [9:50] following. In March 2024, Pakistan [9:54] launched air strikes on suspected TTP [9:56] hideouts inside Afghanistan, prompting [9:59] Kabell to denounce the raids as a [10:01] violation of sovereignty. A few months [10:04] later, in September, new skirmishes [10:06] erupted when Afghan Taliban border [10:08] guards exchanged fire with Pakistani [10:11] forces near Kuram and Coast. By December [10:15] 2024, Pakistani strikes in Paktika again [10:19] targeted TTP camps, killing civilians [10:22] and drawing strong protests from Kabul. [10:25] The following year, in March and April [10:28] 2025, there were major infiltration [10:31] attempts by TTP militants into [10:34] Pakistan's Wazeristan region and dozens [10:37] were killed as a result. Since these [10:40] events, the conflict has only [10:42] accelerated. Pakistan changed its rules [10:45] of engagement in August and went on the [10:48] offensive. It launched a massive [10:50] counterterrorism operation against the [10:53] TTP in the northwest of the country. [10:56] This operation is still ongoing as we [10:58] speak and it underscores that Islamabad [11:02] is now at the tipping point at which it [11:04] believes it has no choice but to take [11:07] unilateral action against the TTP. Since [11:11] then, hostilities have continued to [11:13] intensify. On October 9th, TTP militants [11:17] ambushed Pakistani paramilitary troops, [11:20] killing 11. A day later, Pakistan [11:23] responded with air strikes in Kabell and [11:25] other Afghan positions where senior TTP [11:29] leaders were believed to be in hiding. [11:31] In retaliation, Afghan Taliban forces, [11:35] not the TTP, targeted Pakistani border [11:38] posts along the Duran line. This fueled [11:41] hours of the most intense skirmishes [11:44] reported between the two sides since the [11:46] Taliban retook control of Afghanistan in [11:49] 2021. Both sides claimed to have [11:52] inflicted heavy casualties on the other [11:55] while claiming to have sustained far [11:58] fewer casualties themselves. Both sides [12:01] also reported to have captured dozens of [12:03] the others border outposts during the [12:06] fight. Again, in this corner of the [12:08] world, these allegations are difficult [12:10] to verify independently. [12:13] After more than a week of fighting, [12:15] mediators from Qatar and Turkey brokered [12:18] a ceasefire on October 19th. Pakistani [12:21] and Afghan Taliban officials pledged to [12:24] curb crossber violence and rein in [12:27] militant activity. But that truce is [12:30] already looking shaky. Small-scale [12:32] clashes between Taliban, TTP, and [12:35] Pakistani forces are sporadically [12:38] ongoing and will likely persist for some [12:40] time. Internal factionalism within the [12:44] Taliban further complicates the [12:46] enforcement of any truths. While the [12:48] Taliban and the TTP have close ties, the [12:52] latter enjoys complete autonomy. If the [12:54] Afghan Taliban were to come down hard on [12:57] the TTP, it would risk internal disscent [13:00] and so the Taliban has to cater to its [13:03] internal jihadist ecosystem. Truce is [13:06] therefore unlikely. But suppose for [13:09] argument's sake that a genuine truce was [13:12] restored and maintained. Resolving the [13:15] underlying reasons for the conflict [13:17] would be exceedingly tricky. The [13:19] geography of the region doesn't help [13:21] either. South Asia and Central Asia form [13:24] an interlin security landscape. Any [13:27] escalation could quickly draw in powers [13:30] from far and near. Qatar has stepped up [13:33] as a mediator and is now hosting talks. [13:37] Doha maintains open channels with [13:39] various factions within the Taliban when [13:42] few others could and this could be [13:44] instrumental. Saudi Arabia could also [13:47] get involved given its mutual defense [13:49] pact with Pakistan. The Saudis view [13:52] regional stability as crucial to [13:54] safeguarding their growing security and [13:57] economic ties with Islamabad. [14:00] China too has stakes in the outcome. It [14:03] previously mediated between the Afghan [14:05] Taliban and Pakistan and holds enormous [14:08] economic interests in regional stability [14:12] particularly in Pakistan. Even the [14:14] United States could enter the picture. [14:17] Trump has expressed interest in Bagram [14:19] air base and Pakistan's outreach to [14:21] Washington could pave the way for US [14:24] involvement though it would come with [14:26] high costs and security risks. India [14:30] meanwhile may see opportunity in the [14:32] chaos. Afghanistan is rich in rare [14:35] earths and with China's export controls [14:38] in place, India's defense industry is [14:41] left with growing shortages. New Delhi [14:44] would therefore welcome any chance to [14:46] secure rare earth deposits even if it [14:50] means strange bedfellows. Interestingly, [14:53] the Taliban's re-imagined map of [14:55] Afghanistan where the border extends to [14:58] the Indus leaves out the disputed [15:00] Kashmir region entirely in the hands of [15:03] India. This suggests a larger strategic [15:07] move in which India and Afghanistan team [15:10] up to pressure Pakistan from both sides. [15:14] It so happens that the Taliban's foreign [15:16] minister visited India precisely as [15:19] border clashes with Pakistan were [15:21] escalating. The details of their [15:23] discussions remain undisclosed and the [15:26] timing may well be coincidental. [15:29] However, it could just as easily signal [15:32] a deeper strategic alignment taking [15:34] shape. Even so, the interplay here is [15:37] complex. India joining forces with the [15:40] Taliban is not exactly a good look and [15:43] Pakistan could counteract by [15:46] strengthening ties with Bangladesh or [15:48] backing the revival of the Northern [15:50] Alliance. The outcome could be a new [15:53] fragile balance with layers of [15:56] deterrence stacked on one another. All [15:59] of this suggests that more episodes of [16:01] crossber attacks between the Afghan [16:04] Taliban, the TTP, and the Pakistani army [16:07] are likely in the coming months. That is [16:10] hardly what the region needs, though. [16:12] Afghanistan has not seen a single year [16:15] of peace since 1978, and now the Taliban [16:19] leadership is steering the country [16:21] toward yet another war. Sometimes power [16:24] lies in holding back. In chasing [16:26] imaginary lines, Afghanistan risks [16:29] crossing a very real one. The line [16:32] between power and ruin. I've been your [16:35] host Shivan from Caspian Report. If you [16:37] approve of what we do, please leave a [16:40] comment, hit the like button, and [16:42] mayhaps share the video. In any case, [16:45] thank you for your time and s [16:54] [Music]